By Declan Taylor
WHEN John Ryder saunters into the busy cafe a short drive from his new home in leafy Essex, in a tracksuit and only a few pounds north of his fighting weight, he still looks every inch the boxer.
But the truth is, the Gorilla, a veteran of 74 organised fights in his life, is now officially a civilian and has been ever since his flight from Phoenix, Arizona touched down at Heathrow late last month.
The old adage in boxing is that the fighter is always the last one to know, but Ryder, as he was for the majority of his time inside the ring, was a few steps ahead of everyone else. As he walked back to the changing room after a bruising ninth-round stoppage defeat to Jaime Munguia, he knew he was done.
โI think I knew going into it, win, lose or draw that could be it,โ Ryder tells Boxing News over a plate of avocado on toast with extra eggs. โBut if you win thereโs always that lure to come back isnโt there? I think the best thing is now that I didnโt win so there is not the feeling of โjust one more, one last hurrahโ. I might have been tempted if I won.
โBefore the Canelo [Alvarez] fight last year I thought Iโd retire after it, regardless of the result. But then walking back to the dressing room that night I just thought to myself โI canโt fucking wait to do this againโ. What a feeling, it didnโt feel like the time to retire.
โBut now itโs different. I donโt want to drop down and do a six or eight-rounder. I want to continue at the level I have operated at. Munguia was a fight I wholeheartedly thought I could win, I didnโt think Munguia was that good. I thought he was well suited to my style but he showed different.
โIโd like to think I would have beaten him a year ago, whether that is me just being a year older or what Canelo took out of me in Guadalajara. Itโs tough to know. I spar now and I donโt like getting hit. Itโs not pleasant is it? When I was in LA I just wanted to get through the spars and get to fight night.โ
(Picture By Mark Robinson Matchroom Boxing)
Now 35 years old, with a professional record of 32-7, It is almost 20 years to the day between Ryderโs first and last fights. With a partner and two young children at home, he knows his entire mindset has changed over the course of those two decades, particularly since his kids arrived.
โI felt like Iโm going through the motions a bit these days,โ he adds. โKeep it safe, donโt hurt yourself, be sensible. And thatโs not the way to be is it?
โYou have to be fearless. I started thinking about life in general, the consequences. The most important thing for me was to get back on that flight on Sunday and get back to the kids. It wasnโt winning. But you have to be fearless in this sport โ as soon as the fear seeps in youโre fucked. You canโt have one foot in and one foot out.
โIโve seen Lee Purdy go blind in one eye and I donโt want that. He didnโt want that but he was fearless. Walking back to the changing rooms after Munguia I thought โI canโt come againโ. Thatโs not fearless.โ
With the January date set, the Londoner was sparring in the gym on Christmas Day, away from the excitement back home in the new house that, as Ryder describes, โCanelo boughtโ. โAnd thanks for the car, too, Saul,โ he adds with a smile.
It had been a long, arduous road to the sort of money he received last May in Guadalajara as he challenged the great Mexican for all the super-middleweight belts. It was a purse which enabled him to move the family out of their two-bed flat in London to a house with a garden in the sticks. The adjustment has not been easy but he knows itโs for the best.
โThis is the sort of thing I set out to do isnโt it?โ He asks, not expecting a reply. โSet my family up. Thatโs why itโs worth the blood.
โBut Iโve missed a lot. Just down to little things, itโs nice to do the school run, not every day because traffic is a bit of a nightmare. But I didnโt see their Christmas nativities this year because of training. They understand it and Iโve done this to hopefully motivate and inspire them at some point in their lives to achieve things. But at the time itโs still hard.
โItโs hard knowing your kids are there but youโre not there to see what they are doing.โ
Having said that, itโs not pipe and slippers time for Ryder, who has no designs on retreating to life as a full-time house husband yet. Instead, he is already making moves to become a licensed trainer and working alongside Tony Sims, the man in his corner for the last decade or more.
โI think I can help Tony and learn from him,โ Ryder says. โIt would be good to work under him for a while, see the way he works and heโs obviously not going to go on forever. His age is the best kept secret in boxing.
โI donโt think he wants to go on forever, he wants to go and enjoy life. I donโt think he would ever fully step away but he might want some more time for himself and his wife. He was in on Christmas Day with us, how long do you want to do that for? It has always been in the pipeline for me to do that after boxing but it was just a matter of โwhen?โ
โIt also means I get to stay around everyone in the gym, have a bit of banter. It has to work for me though, I have a young family and I need to be present in their life because Iโve missed out on so much already. I need to be the partner and the dad but also the coach.
โI never thought Iโd find it easy to walk away and the more we are talking now, the more Iโm not sure I can. But Iโve made my decision, letโs see how it goes.โ
So, 20 years a fighter, nearly 23 if you go back to his very first day in Finchley Amateur Boxing Club, where a notable heavyweight also trained for the first time.
โI was 12 when I first started,โ he recalls. โI went to Finchley because my dad knew Jim Oliver. Iโd go every Tuesday and Thursday. I remember me and Derek Chisora started on the same day – we were both there on the lines doing our step one-two, step back one-two.
โHe was a bit older than me. I spoke to him in Monaco last year, asked him about that day and he remembers it too. Itโs crazy really.
โI was 12 then and was 15 when I had my first bout and Iโm 35 now – so thatโs 20 years between my first and last. I had 35 amateur fights, won 30. Then 39 pro fights, 32 wins. So thatโs just shy of 80 fights in 20 years. Thatโs what Iโve applied my life to – 74 tear ups.
โAnd to be honest with you, as I sit here I feel empty. What am I going to fill the void with? Luckily, Iโll still be there and I can scratch that itch as a coach. I do love boxing, and I have for all these years.
โAnd hey, Chisora is still going. Maybe Iโll train him for his last fight. That would be a good end to the story wouldnโt it?โ
As the food is finished and the plates are cleared away, Ryder checks his watch and realises we are nearing school pick-up time. Before he goes, he is asked how he wants to be remembered as a fighter. He thinks for a moment.
โJust as someone who fought anyone,โ says the two-time world title challenger. โSomeone who gave it their all, win, lose or draw – and I never drew.
โIf thatโs how Iโm remembered Iโll be happy.โ